By: Dr. Tomi Mitchell
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In this episode, I, your host, Dr. Tomi Mitchell, had the pleasure of interviewing the lovely Adeola Folorunso
About our Guest
Adeola started her career in Nursing as a diploma trained Nurse in 2009 and obtained her Bachelor of Science in Nursing at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada where she graduated with distinctions in 2015.
She has since then worked as a Registered Nurse(RN) till date. She obtained her master's in Health Administration at the University of Regina, Canada in 2020. In 2020, she obtained the designation, Certified Health Executive (CHE) with the Canadian College of Healthcare Leaders, Ottawa Canada.
As a Healthcare Leader, she is passionate about improving the Canadian, and the global Healthcare system through evidence-based practices.
She has worked in various domains of nursing; clinical, research, administration, and education both in Canada and in Nigeria. Immediately after graduating from Nursing School in Nigeria, she worked as a Nurse Researcher at the Department of Psychiatry, UCH under the leadership of a renowned Psychiatrist, Prof O. Gureje where she developed an interest in the importance of mental health to all irrespective of our social status.
Adeola Folorunso, RN, Dr. Tomi Mitchell
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 00:07
Hello everyone, this is Dr. Mitchell from the Mental Health and Wellness Show. Today I have the pleasure of introducing Adeola Folorunso. She started her nursing career as a diploma nurse trained in 2009 and obtained her Bachelor of Science in Nursing at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada, where she graduated with distinctions in 2015. She has since then worked as a registered nurse till date. She also obtained her Masters's in healthcare administration at the U bar in Canada in 2020, and 2020, she obtained the designation Certified Health Executive with the Canadian College of Healthcare leaders in Ottawa, Canada. As a healthcare leader, she is passionate about improving the Canadian and the global healthcare system through evidence-based practices. She is very experienced as she's worked in many domains of nursing, including clinical research, admin, and education both in Canada and Nigeria. Immediately after graduating from nursing school in Nigeria, she worked as a nurse researcher at the Department of Psychiatry, UCH under the leadership of Renowned psychiatrist and Prof. Oh Guruji, where she developed an interest in the importance of mental health to all irrespective of their social status. With no further ado, I'd like to introduce our guests. So do you mind introducing yourself a little to the audience? Listeners?
Adeola Folorunso, RN 01:37
Yeah, first of all, thank you, doctor, to me, Mitchell, for giving me this great opportunity. Again, my name is Adela Folorunso. I'm a registered nurse. And I love what I'm doing. I love to help people I love to contribute into the healthcare system. And I'll always do that. But again, thank you for this platform.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 01:54
Thank you. So you are well educated? Definitely. And a nurse who has been working for good five-plus years, at least here. Can you tell me a little bit about what made you passionate about nursing or ballistic healthcare in general.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 02:11
I think for me, it was a personal experience. It wasn't just because Oh, it's a profession that pays well, or something I had an experience and that experience actually made me to go into nursing. So back in Nigeria, before I even went to nursing school, I was down with malaria. And there was this particular nurse who show passionate about what she was doing. There were a lot of nurses there. But this one has to do and with everything she was doing, it was more of quality, passion and wanting to go extra mile. And I said this, this is the act of humanity, you know, what profession is this that will make you do this for your fellow human beings. And that's when I started developing the interest in nursing. And since then, I've been a nurse, actually.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 02:51
Nice. And then also you have special interest in psychiatric nursing or at least exposure. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Adeola Folorunso, RN 02:59
Yes. So this was my very first job when I graduated as a diplomat trained nurse back in University College Hospital, UCH, Ibadan, Nigeria. So at some point, there is this renowned professor called Professor Guruji. So everybody knows this particular field of mental health or psychiatric. So it was actually it was into a research and the research was based on onset of schizophrenia among young adults. And he was the population was from I think, 20 to 45, there abouts. And they wanted to know what is causes schizophrenia, and so on the thing they needed a nurse, they needed nurses, actually, and some doctors as well, and other, other health care professionals. So I was, we were two nurses and I was into that I was a second nurse, and even the youngest on the team. And then he said, That was two weeks after I graduated from nursing school. And it was really nice, because he gave me a lot a lot of exposure, I was able to see why young girls also having schizophrenia or even been exposed to mental health in a developing country.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 04:02
What were your main takeaways for why young adults were more risk in the developing country?
Adeola Folorunso, RN 04:07
In a developing country, we have this mentality that I don't know how raw can I go when it comes to use of words. (inaudible) like nothing can get me like, yes, I have the, so in a developed word what we call it a tough skin, you know, and because of that would be like, no, he can't get into me because you think you can get it to you, then you don't even speak how you don't report about seeds. You don't even see that CDs exist, and then a stigma around it. So so a lot of people have had these mental health problems or challenges a long ago, even before it starts exhibiting itself as mental health issues. And just because we're in a society whereby you do not speak out of it because if you do your stigmatize.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 04:49
Yes, that is definitely a global problem. This whole stigma and I firsthand, I've witnessed it when you know something happens and sometimes leadership is like oh, they have Mental health problem. And it's like harsh silence like, Oh, I'm like a little everyone has a mental health challenge, you know, as long as you have a beating heart will have a challenge. The question is, will it adversely affect your life and function, your relationships. So, you know, you as a fellow health care provider, myself, I've practiced for over 10 years prior to that being in school. So it's actually more than that, the healthcare system to work in can be challenging at best. And some would arguably say the challenges have risen over the past few years, especially with the global pandemic, and the exposure of the vulnerabilities each country's healthcare system has, what is your personal opinions on the challenges and burnout with healthcare professionals? Like are you seeing a difference from pre COVID and now?
Adeola Folorunso, RN 05:56
I think to start with is I want people to understand what burnout service, I mean, that's the key word and what are we talking about. So what I mean, it so means to be overwhelmed, exhausted, and that exhaustion, overwhelm is triggered by something by a stressor, actually, so whether consciously or unconsciously, he will be there. So it's great for people who know that it's there, because it's a reality for them that they bring into their consciousness. But the unconscious one is where they're dealing with it. And they don't even know that it's there, right? So anything could trigger that. So I bought not just it's not something that just happened in one day, it is an accumulation of something sitting there. And if you don't recognize it, then we can't even do anything about it. So I see it's rising, honestly, it is, and even the pandemic itself, because nobody sees the pandemic coming. Okay, don't let me use the word nobody sees it, because some people might have seen it actually.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 06:48
Adeola Folorunso, RN 06:49
But I think the right word to use is that people are not fully prepared for the pandemic, because it wasn't something that analysis is solved that I am coming. And so where the analysis of them coming to them people are prepared for it came on announced, then we have to start figuring out how to do it about it that alone, they are not announcing it so that it's coming, it's a stressor on its tone, right? And that's good to trigger something. And when it triggers something even makes what is sitting in there, which is a stress that is sitting in there to be more pronounced. So, yes, I will say yes, that is pandemic itself has actually triggered and increased burnout among not just healthcare providers, and even everybody as a whole in the world.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 07:29
Yes, I would definitely say and you know, the term burnout, which was typically used more so in the health field, pre pandemic is now you hear pretty much on every industry, like people are writing about it, people are talking about it, which is great. But then the question is, what are we going to do about it? And as we'd like to be both appreciate a holistic approach, like what are the causes of burnout? So before we get into causes, maybe you can explain to our listeners, what are some of the early signs of burnout.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 08:02
Um, so the full field is doing really well, you mentioned the word on listing. So we're looking at the physical impact, the psychological impact of social and the mental impact of burnout. So as you might wish to know that we kind of operate within those four domains, right? And then if we're seeing any changes in those four domains, right, then that is an opportunity for us to start, you know, paying attention to those things, and start looking out for what we need to do. Right. So back to your question that what are those things that we like those signs that we'll see, I think to start with, there is a soft start, whereby it looks as if it's normal, you know, I feel stressed, headache, anxiety, like oh, yeah, okay, yeah, maybe because, you know, maybe it's something that is new to me or something, it's not very soft. And then when you don't pay attention to me, then it becomes more pronounced. And then you go into the danger zone, where even people go as far as committing suicide, it's their back. So I would say isolation, isolating yourself from what normally you would love to do, or where you'd normally want to be, you know, you don't like normally you love to go to their place of work, no matter you want to work on their units. But now you don't want to go there anymore. Those are warning signs that why, why is it something that I used to love is becoming something that is like, affecting my mental health or it's affecting my peace, right? And another thing is loss of motivation. You are not passionate about it, like what you normally love to do, you know, like, it's not something you love to do anymore. It's one of the signs that you see. And then another thing is when you begin to doubt yourself so much about something that you know, you're good at says but like, am I sure I have the capacity, you know, you begin to doubt your capacity. And it's not that you've been struggling with it before, right? But suddenly it's certainly the something is coming because it's not just happening in one day, but it's something that definitely we need and then you see for healthcare providers when people start to skip work. Well, we have a lot of colleagues sick you know, Like, you just don't want to be in that environment when the environment becomes so toxic to you. And then you feel it might be toxic to you, but it's not even talking to others. So that is your own personal experience of that environment could be those warning signs that you'd be seen, you know, actually, so like skipping walked, doubt of your decision, loss of motivation, and isolation could be those soft sign or those early signs. And when you're going to danger zone, you've been used to abuse food, abuse resources, abuse drugs, alcohol, you're going to that. And the truth is that Dr. Mitchell nobody's immune, how this pandemic started that you're finding vaccine to it. There is no vaccine for burnouts?
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 10:39
Adeola Folorunso, RN 10:39
I don't know maybe you've heard about it before, or maybe they are making research on it right now. But I am not aware that there is a vaccine for that. So it is a big deal. Actually.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 10:48
It definitely is. I personally feel that the fallout from burnout and mental health and all this stuff with potentially the even greater than the COVID pandemic. And that's a big statement to say in light of all the new variants that are coming out. And to talk that significantly, potentially more dangerous, more transmissible with our vaccines current that we have the affective, there's a lot and you mentioned stress going into environment that might look safe from the outside, but you don't know what illness what disease you might be in contact with. Right on it. So it's a heightened sense of that fear, that caution, which I believe also contributes to this burnout. And you know, like, yeah, it's so important for us to be aware and not get to those red zones, where one will make decisions that they may later on, forget them regret or their families regret or wish that never happened. So for somebody who is suffering from what seems like burnout, what strategies or support systems do you think are available? Or can they avail themselves to mitigate burnout?
Adeola Folorunso, RN 11:59
So I think to start with is we're in a society where whether developing or developed country when he says society where people don't want to talk about it, right? Like they believe if you talk about your weak, and to talk about it for me, it's a strength, because you recognize that it is there, right, and you want to help and to be able to talk about it and ask you for help shows that you still want to keep your sanity intact.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 12:23
Adeola Folorunso, RN 12:24
The impact of that is that it impacts your productivity at work impacts your creativity at work, and you become you which able to stop and to the people around you, right?
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 12:33
Adeola Folorunso, RN 12:33
And then even the quality of life is also affected, you lack sleep, you begin to abuse these, like eleison. And even the quality of care that you give to your patient will be affected as well, because something is not right somewhere. So I encourage people to talk about it to speak up. And then enjoying that. And for people to know that taking a break, that's one of the strategies, taking a break from that environment that might be a stressor to you is not a sign of weakness.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 13:00
Adeola Folorunso, RN 13:01
It is not, it is a sign of strength that you identify that there is a problem, and you want to provide a solution to it. So taking a break is great. A lot of people are saying that working hard is the goal, right? But taking a break from odd work does not mean you're a loser, right? It is an opportunity for you to come back or rejuvenates and gain your strength back again, and come back stronger. So my number one strategy is to take time to detach from that stressor and finding those resources out there that could be of help, talking to people, if it's on your unit for instance, or your department, finding that reliable colleague to speak with or to talk to, or even your leaders, your manager. And that's why I encourage a lot of managers or a lot of leaders to be emotionally intelligent.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 13:46
Adeola Folorunso, RN 13:46
About your stuff, it is very important because the success of your staff is not just about the skills that they have. It's about the quality of their mental wellness goes a long way because it directly have impact on their productivity at work. And even not on their engagement at work as well, you know, and their motivation. So taking that break and changing the location is very important. And taking out that feeling of guilt. Don't feel guilty about TDD happens. We are human accept it. It is something that at some point, everybody, you might not get to the danger zone but at some point, remember you don't even start on the danger zone is such so soft as if it's normal. And so, I tell people please don't normalize it don't normalize born out, so look out for help.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 14:30
Yes. And don't make it a kind of if you're a hero because you've gone days and days and days and weeks without taking a break like which I find this in the healthcare culture, I can speak for position is very much glorified. The lessening now which is which is great. And he made another good comment about it takes strength to acknowledge that there's a problem and I completely agree because even myself, I was one of those people who worked extremely long hours like weeks on end without taking a break, being on called, running in the office being an emergency, and it took a toll on me, you know, plus, then you add life responsibilities, not just work, we're not just nurses or doctors or, you know, whatever you do, we are also individuals with relationships with family and responsibilities. And if you push yourself too hard in your work, you wouldn't have the give the space to respond to when stressors happen in your personal life. And that's a problem. And I've been there and it's not a good place to be.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 15:29
That's right, you know, for health care provider to like, especially in this pandemic, where we have shortage of staff.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 15:35
Adeola Folorunso, RN 15:35
So the few staff that we have, will be used to the point whereby give us everything you have to offer, you know, give us every hours that you can give to the healthcare system, right, because, you know, a lot of people might not be available anymore to do that. So where normally you have like 10 people doing a particular task, you might be left with four people doing that. So and then you have to double out to do that same amount of task that is done by 10 people. So the long hours, the shortage of staff itself and the demand for the walk, right? That the demand it keeps increasing day in, day out. And the pandemic just blew everything out again, you know, so so many things, you have to learn many things, I expectation, and all healthcare environment, maybe not every year, but at some point, we do performance measurement and performance improvements. Those are triggers on its own to whereby the demand is on you to meet up to expectation and even above expectation. So those stressors are there, too. Oh, somebody's watching me. How come do you well? I hope I'm supposed to be what I'm supposed to, things like that kind of like ring on our head and could lead to burnout and stress.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 16:40
100%, the short staffing and you know, that kind of persona, who's loyal wanting to help people, it's a challenge because you know, you're exhausted. But you also know that they're short staffed, and that patient care at this point would be compromised, potentially, because there's not enough bodies to do the work. So there's often a feeling of guilt, right? It's not a good situation.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 17:05
Yes, we for health care workers, because I see as co-workers as angels, you know, like, we're just doing something so special. And if we are not able to do that, then we feel guilty about it. Even without being told within us we feel guilty about it. But to let people know that it's okay to feel the way you feel. But just don't stop there. Make sure you reach out for support.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 17:26
Yes, yes, definitely. And you know, one other thing that I recommend each of us make a priority, besides reaching out for support asking for help is self care. Because if you're not eating properly, nutritious foods, hydrating well, and sleeping well, your outcomes will be significantly worse and exercising too, if we, we can't forget that I know. So many of us that's so busy in our work, where we fail to take care of ourselves, we fail to do the, you know, the five days a week of physical activity or being more mindful of movements. And instead of eating nutritious meals, I remember even the hospitals what I would see more likely was you know, ordering Chinese food or pizza at two in the morning at three in the morning. Like that was good for our waistline, but we wore scrubs, so they just stretched but it's not good, right. So that's another thing that is really hard for those who are shift workers because just by definition, shift work is not good for your health continuously for like days and nights and switching and back and forth. It is, taste have been done, what it adversely affects your health. And even as far as life expectancy, potentially. So it's so important to mitigate reduce those risk factors by things that are more in your control, talking to others, being mindful, having a heart of gratitude, those things that seems so basic, but they're so important. So how did you, I know we've all experienced burnout to various degrees and like yours perhaps was mild, but how did you reduce the chances of it becoming more severe? And how did you manage your health and your wellness?
Adeola Folorunso, RN 19:08
I think for me, I was able to know my limits, I was able to know my resilience limits, everybody has, you know, just so much you can add expand or stretch. So knowing that this is my limit that if I go beyond that, I mean, the physics is so wonderful when you do elasticity, right?
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 19:27
Adeola Folorunso, RN 19:27
You go beyond that, you break down, that like gets into that. So understanding that this is all for that I can go is very important because what we begin to see right now is when the hotspots become the victim inside you know you added what as opposed to taking care of people and now you're now the victim you know being taken care of. So how do we even meet together how do we stop that is like you know, initially said is to be able to recognize number one and number two resist. How do you resist that is to know your limits. And then to restore. So in the case of you resisting, it might entail that you might have to leave that environment for that period, to be able to gain the energy that you need to continue at some point, and then also setting boundaries. So if it can only work 10 hours, if that's your maximum, please don't go beyond that, if you can only want this long as a stretch, you know, like, three days at a stretch, don't go beyond like, you have to be speaking to your manager or your leader, where is you report to letting them know that this is how far I can go. Right? So, because what I've seen when I used to be a manager was, you know, I have some of my staff would walk, you know, the maximum we give to them is like maybe like four or five days, we sit down to six, seven days, they are cranky, you know, annoyingly unconscious, they don't intend to do that. But that's the way the body work, because somehow you're releasing some cortisone in your system that increases your stress, right? You just find yourself you know, like, it might not, it might not affect your productivity on the seventh day, but there's something that is changing in you. And if you carry on like that, keep kind of like that, oh, in the name of I'm strong, I'm powerful, because that's the watch. Yeah. And then you just keep going down that way. So setting the boundary is very, very important. And also, you know, like, sometimes you have to even like reevaluate your goals. Yes, it's very important. So great. So I think those are one of the things are knowing fully well that do not accept it, and do not normalized it, if it's there.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 21:28
Definitely, exactly, I like how you mentioned physics. And you know what, our bodies can only stretch so far and actually come to the original state. If you stretch something too much, it will eventually snap or wouldn't go back.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 21:42
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 21:43
So that's good. Well, since we're talking about healthcare, and we talked about supply and demand, because the problem right now on the problems is there's more demand for healthcare and healthcare services than they are supply. I know, this is not the topic of this conversation, but to our listeners, and those well, obviously to our listeners, if any of you are interested in the healthcare field and have a heart for service, then please consider it because truly, if we don't start training new competent, educated individuals, now the future is not going to be bright. Because there's a large percentage of healthcare professionals, I speak from physicians, especially, and even nurses that are nearing retirement age where they can have the option to retire, retire early. And guess what people are taking it, especially during this pandemic. So we're losing that collective transfer of wisdom for those who'se been there and done that and see more. So that's a really big problem that needs to be addressed. Because it's many people who are getting trained, even right now are not getting the same level of hands on experience that I would have received when I was training, pre pre pandemic, right? So parents, grandparents, aunties, whoever, if your child is interested in health care and service, we really, really need more people, it takes over a decade to train an individual and even longer to make the experience. So that is my plea for the upcoming generation who are contemplating or perhaps people who are considering switching ship jumping ship, by all means there's definitely work to be done and change that needs to be done.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 23:23
That's very true. I'm just gonna have just to what you said before show, it's very true, because a lot of somebody asked me about when is this pandemic is going to be over or when is the end of it? And I said, it might not have if we don't have enough capacity and resources, and human capacity would go a whole long way. So the world should know that we are all, we're in this together and we must fight together we must win together and how do we win is for people to come in and and you know, contribute their little quarter into the healthcare system so that we can gradually come out of this. I don't know how many years from now many months from now, but we definitely need that quality, but I'm collaborative efforts to be able to get out of this pandemic.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 24:02
Yeah, no, it's definitely when I first heard about it the Coronavirus in late 2019, before it was announced as a pandemic in March the following year. I remember my heart sinking when I heard these stories from Wuhan, and all the back chatter and I was like, We are in trouble. This is going to be global. And I was expecting my second child. So fortunately, but he stopped the house, but I still stopped it some more, because I knew this was coming and I remember telling people you ready for the corona? I was like I called it the corona apocalypse. So like, what are you talking about? What's Corona? I'm like, you don't know. And then the next month it like became aware and people are like oh be over by summer but the science part of my brain which understands what the virus is and people's behaviors and responds to being told what to do, I knew that was far from over. You know, we've been telling our patients to exercise, to eat right, to do those things song and dance for how long and how many people actually do. So what does that say? We are in this pandemic for a long time. The Spanish flu was five years. I honestly at this one will likely be longer that is the sad truth before it becomes endemic and everywhere, so.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 25:16
I can imagine a stage where pandemic to endemic and then to epidemic that's gonna, that's gonna take a long time honestly, like cannot overestimate the, the, the impacts of people coming in collectively to get the work done.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 25:30
Adeola Folorunso, RN 25:31
In every, in all department not just healthcare every aspect.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 25:34
All the aspect.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 25:35
You know, to make sure that we get out of this.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 25:38
Yeah, we have to do our part as a team as a collective unit world. Don't think this is your choice, it's your right to see also affect in anybody, it does, your choices to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day affects other people. It's not just you, okay? Your choice to speed drink and drive, affects other people, right? Your choice not to take care of yourself and continuously have preventable illnesses affects other people, the resources are sin, and I know this for you is thing you may be like, this is a different tone about you (inaudible). And the truth is, it is a different tone. Because for me, I see the writing on the wall. And I have, I have a heaviness in my heart because I know what's happening, I see what's happening and the date, like what is happening, and I am concerned, but I know we can do our part to mitigate our risks. And we can do our part to be healthy and stay out of the hospital. But not everyone is that fortunate. Some people have illnesses that are completely out of their control, but genetic defects, and they're going to need resources they're going to need transplants are going to need surgery, they have a they didn't have a chance, they weren't given that opportunity. But we are, so we do the right thing so that they can get what they need. I know in many parts of the world and Canada included transplant surgeries were cancelled, people that needed life sustaining procedures were cancelled, delayed, people lost a sight because of cancellation people died like it's the impact is huge. Burnout is part of this web of mental health and wellness that we speak about on this podcast, we need to do a part this is not going to end well the new variant and another variant that's bigger and better. And then the other, the virus wants to survive and wants to have a host. And until we stop that from happening, just fires continue to mutate because it wants to live like any other living organism.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 27:33
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 27:33
Adeola Folorunso, RN 27:34
Yes. There is no doubt right, in the unprecedented years. And but we can do it. That's my game we can do fully well that, what I do affects the rest of the society, you know, going with that mentality that it's not all just about me, but it's about even the next door neighbor, my actions, everything that I do, and the impact on the economy on so and on our political system. So goes along with, so I think whatever we do, maybe thinking twice, we the implication of whatever we do, will also help a lot.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 28:06
Yes. And I love how you say the impact of our community. And you know what, it's even so much of its impact on the next generation, our children's impact, right, for what they're going to inherit. Well, that's a whole new, not the conversation. I I'm very passionate about it. That's why I go on this podcast every week, because I need my children to have a better world than what I see right now. It's honestly, it's just because of my love for them and for others. So I do all that. Thank you so much for joining us today and going along with my conversations, which as anyone who's ever been on the show with me knows we're not scripted, we kind of kind of go as the conversation goes, and when I'm passionate about something or my guest is passionate about the floor is yours. Like there's no censorship here. We're here to help and speak the truth.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 28:54
Yeah, thank you very much. It is a great opportunity. But my final words to people hearing and even to myself, because it's an opportunity for me to reflect is that when you feel burnt out, please your organization, your place of work, your department would not collapse. Okay? Take time to take care of yourself. And because we need the whole of you, we need the good part of you to be able to do the good job to the society. Great. So yeah, it's okay that you feel that way. But make sure that you don't see in that face, ask for help and asking for help. It's not a sign of weakness at all.
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 29:29
It's a sign of strength as you said.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 29:32
Dr. Tomi Mitchell 29:32
Thank you listeners. Again, this is Dr. Mitchell from the Mental Health and Wellness Show. Good bye.
Adeola Folorunso, RN 29:37